I have recently heard a few extraordinary opinions about how mathematicians should use AI. One I would paraphrase as “professional mathematicians should never use AI for any problem not in their narrowly defined (by whom?) research program”, which seems ridiculous — one great advantage of AI is that it allows us to precisely broaden our own research (and mathematics more generally). But that is not what this post is about. Generally, my plan on this blog is neither to make predictions about the future nor to make any ethical pronouncements about its usage, but rather to understand its implications for mathematics as a discipline. (I always remind myself that my one prediction about AI was that computers would never beat humans at chess, and I’m not that old!)
The question is:
Question: What is the value of a result obtained by someone pressing a button in a context where they themselves contribute no insight?
There are a number of subtle things that may count as insight, including which problems to ask in the first place. It seems pretty clear, however, that suitably interpreted, the answer to this question is “no value at all”. If someone else was interested in the question, they could press the same button.
If a result can be obtained on demand by anyone merely by pressing a button, and the particular person who obtains it supplies no insight, then the production and announcement of that result have no mathematical value. In particular, I’m not only saying that the button-presser deserves no credit (which is obvious). I’m talking about what counts as a valuable mathematical result once answers themselves become freely reproducible commodities. In that setting, the first person to print the machine’s answer has not added anything to mathematics. The proposition may be true, and knowing it may have consequences, and the argument may be interesting, but this particular result — the act of generating and circulating the answer — is mathematically of marginal value.
There are many people right now burning through tokens asking LLMs about famous or not-so-famous conjectures. One reason is pure intellectual curiosity or a desire to explore the limits and capabilities of these models; the opportunity for everyone^* to have access to such powerful models is amazing. But if the motivation is some sort of personal glory for having been the first person to “prove” or to “know” some particular fact, then this seems misplaced, to put it politely. If you don’t do anything besides press a button and you don’t understand what comes out or whether it is correct, what is the point? Even assuming it is 100% correct (and Lean-certified!), it still takes an expert to determine if the proof contains anything original or interesting to mathematics as a discipline.
The theorems we prove often serve as a proxy for what is more important, namely, the creation of new methods and new ideas. I am not saying that results are not important. I would like to know that \(\zeta(5)\) is irrational as well as knowing why it is irrational. But that knowledge is less important than some people seem to think. The problem of whether \(\zeta(5)\) is irrational is an obvious enough question to ask that the first person who “presses a button” and gets a proof seems more or less irrelevant if they added no intellectual content of their own. What AI obviously changes is that novelty of theorem statement no longer reliably signals novelty, competence, effort, or understanding.
What I have said so far seems to be somewhere between tautological and self-evident, but I was reminded of it in the past few weeks by being forwarded not one but three proofs that \(\zeta_5(3) \in \mathbf{Q}_5\) is irrational. Let me give a quick and selective history of this type of problem (omitting the work of many people):
In 2005, I proved that \(\zeta_2(3)\) and \(\zeta_3(3)\) were irrational, as well as \(L_2(2,\chi_{-4})\), the \(2\)-adic Catalan’s constant. The insight here was to understand how Fritz Beukers’ modular version of Apéry’s proof had a \(p\)-adic analogue, where the “overconvergence” which in the complex case was coming from the functional equation and Eichler integrals — which saw the period \(\zeta(3)\) — was replaced by \(p\)-adic overconvergence of (non)-classical Eisenstein series, which see the period \(\zeta_p(3)\).
My collaboration with Dimitrov and Tang (around 2020) more or less started when Vesselin discovered a holonomy bound (following André) and noted that it could be used (by using the same overconvergent template I had used in my paper) to show that \(\zeta_2(5)\) was irrational, something that was not possible using my original method. Using our later, more refined bounds, we included a proof of this result in our ICM paper.
In 2025, Lai, Sprang, and Zudilin independently proved that \(\zeta_2(5)\) was irrational. Their proof used a more direct Apéry-like construction.
So what, then, are my thoughts on these proofs that \(\zeta_5(3)\) is irrational? First, among the (proper subset of) proofs that are probably correct, they contain essentially no original ideas whatsoever — they are simply applying the best holonomy bounds from [CDT] to the template constructed in [C2005]. Who knows how many other people have pressed the same button to prove the same result! If these had been written up well by a graduate student, then to me their value would be “this graduate student has understood how to apply [CDT] correctly”, and such a paper could plausibly appear in a journal. If we want this to continue, we have to be very clear and conscious of what the other added value is beyond the result itself.
What was interesting about the irrationality of \(\zeta_2(5)\) was not only the result, per se, but the completely new method used to obtain it. At the same time, the proof by Lai-Sprang-Zudilin of the irrationality of \(\zeta_2(5)\) [A known result!] is much more interesting than these proofs that \(\zeta_5(3)\) is irrational [A new result!], because in the former case the argument required the construction of a new series of approximations related to higher-dimensional families of Calabi-Yaus rather than families of elliptic curves, and in the latter case, you just take the currently available arguments and apply them in the obvious way to the obvious constructions.
The proofs vary both in quality and in the extent to which the respective “authors” made the effort to ensure that the argument was correct. Two of the proofs seem more or less plausible, more or less the same, and more or less obvious. But I could hardly recommend that anyone spend time reading them, let alone reviewing either paper for a journal. They have no value. The third proof, however, is more amusing. It claims to prove that \(\zeta_2(2k+1)\) is irrational for a set of positive integers \(k\) of density one. That would be a more substantial result. The proof even passes, with caveats, an initial examination by ChatGPT 5.6. So now one feels compelled to make at least some effort to consider what is going on. What one quickly realizes is that the same argument would apply not only to the constant term of the \(2\)-adic Eisenstein series \(E_{-2k}(q)\), but would also “show” that (as \(k\) varies), for a positive proportion of positive integers \(k\), the constant terms of the Eisenstein series \(E_{-2k}(q) – E_{-2k}(q^2)\) are also irrational. That last result, if true, would indeed be impressive.
The last example is also interesting to consider on several levels: it’s bad for OpenAI because the cost of that computation is more than what they charged for it (edit according to the comments this is probably wrong!); it’s bad for the amateur who produced that proof because they are throwing away money to produce slop and also (potentially) suffering the embarrassment of proudly posting slop (though I have never found amateurs to worry much about that); it’s bad for me because I felt compelled to waste some time thinking about it; and it’s bad for anyone else who looks at the argument (whether they know anything about mathematics or not) because, well, it is AI slop. So this is a situation where everybody loses! I think that is far from a unique case right now.
I don’t think the implications of what I have said for amateurs are that interesting (though with ChatGPT 6 just released, the volume of button pressing is only going to increase.) What I think is more interesting is the implication for mathematicians and the results that they prove, whether they are using AI or not. But I shall return to this in a later post.
^* everyone who can afford it.
Another post worth reading is this one. Even if what I say in this post is not that original, as mentioned in the comments of the linked post, I think the more mathematicians speaking about these issues the better.
It’s not so clear that OpenAI is losing money:
https://www.seangoedecke.com/ai-inference-is-obviously-profitable/
Confounding high top-line revenue with profitability completely ignores OpenAI’s multi-billion-dollar pre-training compute debt, capital expenditures, and ongoing operational cash burn.
I don’t think the only motivation to do research (defined *very* broadly) and to disseminate the results is to provide objective value to other people. One may think the act itself has value (in one’s own value system) and that there’s intrinsic value to presenting/displaying a beautiful result for its own sake. I do think that the activity of providing objective value to other people through mathematical research may simply end and those who continue mathematical research must do so for other reasons.
Have any of the purported proofs claimed (in effect) to resolve Thurston’s Problem 23 (somewhat obliquely highlighted in the Introduction to your splendid [CDT24] paper)?
I’m not sure I’d consider it bad for OpenAI. The publicity from these results could result in them receiving billions.
I am looking forward to this “later post.” I hope it addresses the following:
Is there value in a mathematician writing up a result that can be one-shotted by an LLM?
If your answer is “no”, how powerful of an LLM are you talking about? The free version of ChatGPT? The pro version? Codex powered by 5 GPT/Claude licenses? The full strength of OpenAI’s internal models?
By the way, if your answer to the second question is N, this means mathematicians need N licenses in order to know whether their work will be deemed worthy in the mathematical community.
There can be value in asking interesting questions. There can be value in raising interesting questions. There can be value in explaining ideas. There can be value in demonstrating understanding. Some of these are easier to evaluate than others.
Very interesting post FC!
> … then the production and announcement of that result have no mathematical value.
I tend to agree, but I had a very interesting conversation with someone a few days ago that challenged this point of view somewhat. I’ll try to explain their argument in terms that I understand.
I’m sure many mathematicians have had the experience of reading something “trivial” that completely changed their point of view. I can think of several examples for me personally: when I understood the connection between simplicial sets and categories, when I first understood that 2-cells in $K(\pi,1)$ can be thought of as “relations between relations”, when I first understood that certain random walks on groups can be understood entirely in terms of the character table…
In each of these cases I would say that in some sense “I already knew” them before they were pointed out to me. Yet, when they were pointed out to me my mathematical world shifted slightly, so I clearly didn’t. In each of these examples I could have “pushed the button” in my own mind, but did not. It took someone else to push the button for me! I feel there is value in that, and could imagine similar value coming from a discussion with an LLM.
[Now that I write this I realise an important difference to what you are saying. In the examples about, the context existed in my mind, and is playing a very important role. I think your argument pertains to situations where the context isn’t already there, in which case I agree.]
Thank you for your thought-provoking posts on these topics — I look forward to the sequels!
I’m not sure I agree with your assertion that a button-pushing result has no value (even if the one who clicks the cookie deserves no credit). One thing that the power of the currently available LLMs makes clear is the immense value of the written corpus of accumulated human knowledge. A result of the form “method X is sufficient to solve problem Y” is not as interesting as the creation of fundamentally new method, but it may still be worth recording, and its usefulness in the future does not depend on how it was obtained.
Leaving such results in the ether, or more precisely, in the privately-held corpus of text on the servers of OpenAI or Anthropic, is the first step towards a world in no other organisation can even in principle train LLMs of similar power. (Actually, far from the first step, if the reports of the scanning and destruction of rare books are to be believed.)
Many colleagues have given thought to the permanence of journal publications in a world in which many journals are now purely digital. Their motivation is that what we know now should be robustly available to future generations of mathematicians. The same thought can be applied to apparently ephemeral results, created with little human effort, that may nevertheless have some value in the future.
Professor Frank,
What’s your opinion on Z.-W. Sun’s preprint in which he claims to establish the irrationality of Catalan’s constant?
Thanks in advance for your reply!
Best regards,
J. H. S.